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Jul 20, 2015, 10:09AM

Why I'm Glad Bernie Got Interrupted

Campaigns aren't just about candidates.

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If Hillary Clinton is hit by a meteor tomorrow, Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden will start up presidential campaigns, and Bernie Sanders still won't get anywhere near the Democratic nomination, much less the Oval Office.

Does that mean that Sanders campaign is pointless? Not at all: Sanders can energize the left and possibly force Clinton to make pledges on issues important to the progressive wing of the party. Politics is about communication, which means it's about symbols, which means symbolic candidacies can matter, especially when those candidacies are linked to real party constituencies.

But the fact that Sanders has no chance of winning is important to keep in mind when evaluating the more garment-tearing social media reactions to his appearance at Netroots Nation progressive conference over the weekend. Sanders and former Maryland governor Martin O'Malley, who is also running for the Democratic nomination, attended a public sit-down interview with Jose Antonio Vargas. The interview was interrupted by BlackLivesMatter protesters, including Tia Oso of the National Coordinator for Black Immigration Network, who insisted O'Malley and Sanders speak directly to the issue of police brutality. O'Malley responded, "Black lives matter. White lives matter. All lives matter"— dodging the central point of BlackLivesMatter, which is that racism makes black people in particular a target. Sanders, for his part, crankily referenced his past support for civil rights and added, "But if you don't want me to be here, that's okay. I don't want to outscream people." The protesters were not impressed.

On social media, some progressive supporters of Sanders criticized the protests for being chaotic, rude, and counter-productive. New Republic writer Elizabeth Bruenig, for example, commented on Twitter "Ah yes attacking Bernie Sanders, a surefire way to achieve......................something, I guess?" Hurting Sanders, many argued, damages progressives, and is misguided insofar as Sanders has a record of supporting civil rights initiatives, going back to the 1960s when he helped organize sit-ins. Attacking someone who agrees with you on the main issues is divisive and bad strategy, supposedly.

But again, undermining Sanders is only a strategic problem if he has a chance of winning the nomination—and there's no evidence he does. As Nate Silver pointed out last week at FiveThirtyEight, Sanders' popularity with Democrats just means left progressive politics are popular with Democrats. Hillary Clinton, however, is also very popular with Democrats, and she has overwhelming endorsements from party actors. The idea that Sanders would win if only BlackLivesMatter protesters wouldn't interrupt him is wishful thinking.

So the protests aren't really going to hurt Sanders' non-chances. But, like his campaign, they have symbolic importance. The most vital left grassroots movement of the last decade has been BlackLivesMatter. It has organized large-scale protests; it’s put police brutality on the national agenda. To solidify and advance those gains, BlackLivesMatter needs to force American political parties to engage with its agenda. Republicans are wedded to white identity politics for the forseeable future, so that leaves the Democrats.

Black Lives Matter has had some success in pushing recognition of its concerns: Obama and Clinton have both begun to speak about and make some promises and statements about criminal justice reform. But the point of activism is to get more; firmer commitments, more sweeping reforms, a more central place in the identity of the party.

You don't get any of those things by staying quiet. On the contrary, the best way to get politicians to listen, and to force them to deal with an agenda, is to frighten them. So BlackLivesMatter came to Netroots Nation, and it showed that its activists have a lot of energy, a lot of passion, and a lot of support. They forced Sanders and O'Malley to address their issues. In fact, O'Malley left the stage chanting "Black Lives Matter!" and said later, "I did not understand the tremendous passion, commitment and feeling and depth of feeling that all of us should be attaching to this issue."

Is that pandering on O'Malley's part? Sure. But the goal of party actors is in large part to get candidates to pander to them. It's to force politicians to address their issues and make promises about their issues, so when they're in office they’re under pressure to do something about those issues. Contrary to conventional wisdom, politicians generally try to keep their campaign promises, so forcing politicians to say that they'll do something about your issue matters. And even though Clinton skipped Netroots Nation, this high profile, highly publicized demonstration of the importance of BlackLivesMatter to a vocal constituency certainly increases the chances that police brutality will be a topic in Democratic debates and on the campaign trail.

I'm glad Sanders is running, even if his chances of winning aren't much better than mine are. And it's why I'm pleased that BlackLivesMatter activists are forcing Democratic candidates to listen to them. 

—Follow Noah Berlatsky on Twitter: @hoodedu

Discussion
  • A few fact checks here. 1. Calling Black Lives Matter the "most vital left grassroots movement of the last decade" is a highly questionable and unsupported opinion. What about Code Pink, the Occupy movement, Anonymous, and Wikileaks to name a few of the progressives favorite movements? 2. Obama was talking about criminal justice reform long before the Black Lives Matter movement began. 3. By taking up the tactics of the Tea party/Code Pink crowd and interrupting and shouting-down likely allies, the movement risks being dismissed by the very people best equipped to helping it in the future. Bernie may not win the primary but he is hardly leaving the stage. Why antagonize him with bully tactics instead of reasonably engaging his help?

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  • Obama was talking in a pretty half-assed way about criminal justice reform. He's still mostly half-assed about it, though he's been more vocal since BLM pushed him./ Occupy never went anywhere; BLM seems a lot better organized and focused, to me. Anonymous...I don't know what they are, but not a left movement, exactly, I wouldn't say. Same with Wikileaks;; it's not a grass roots movement; it's a relatively small group of people focused on a particular project. Which is cool, but not a grass roots movement for change.//Like I said, scaring your politicians a little is generally a good move. Tea Party tactics have been extraordinarily effective. Left progressives have been wishing we had a movement like that for some time. Now one is here (to some degree). I think that's a good thing.

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  • With one exception, I'll agree to disagree. If your definition of a vital grass-roots movement is contingent upon its success as you state with occupy (while ignoring that it was the beginning of many states increasing the minimum wage) what has Black Lives Matter accomplished thus far other than raising awareness which you can't deny Occupy did.

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  • I don't really think Occupy raised awareness of anything, unfortunately. It's goals were too diffuse, and it mostly just disintegrated.// BlackLivesMatter has had a couple of successes. Ferguson elections changed the composition of the city's government; it's now black majority, which it had never been before.//Freddie Gray's killers got indicted; I really doubt that would have happened without pressure from BlackLivesMatter.//These are local successes, but criminal justice is mostly a local issue, on the policy level. And it's early days, I think. The NN thing shows that BLM is working to be embedded in democratic party politics in a way Occupy wasn't. I think that's promising for change down the road.

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  • BLM is pretty narrow. What do they stand for? An extraodinarily rare circumstance of a black guy killed by a white cop? Blacks killed by blacks? By Hispanics? By black cops? About the best they can do is a "white hispanic" being assaulted by Trayvon Martin, Mike Brown killed while assaulting a cop, Eric Garner dying of obesity, heart issues and, probably COPD after struggling with cops supervised by a black sergeant. Forget the choke hold meme. I used to do that stuff in judo and I watched the vid. Just to save you time. Meantime, Heaven Sutton (aka "who?") is unavailable for comment.

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  • Thank you for bringing your expertise and clear vision to this comments thread. America salutes you.

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  • I think you give BLM too much credit. As for interupting a civil discourse between candidates, I think it does a diservice to the cause that has reps interupting. The woman had no cause to plan ahead of the event and take the stage and mic when others want to hear the candidates. It's childish and rude. If the woman wants the stage, then she should run. Otherwise, wait her turn to ask a question. Bernie's aggravated response was well within the mainstream of a civil society.

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  • Noah. Thanks. But I have to say in all humility that I had no more expertise than anyone else. You'll note it's actually a question. What does BLM stand for? And if it's death by violence, talking to a couple of superannuated lefties is probably not the best use of outrage. But, anyway, there's another layer to my comment: It's what reasonable people are asking. Some years before John Derbyshire related the "talk" he gave his kid(s), he observed that, except for a few bohemians, almost everybody else would bankrupt themselves to move away from black neighborhoods. For noting the behavior of others, he was accused of racism. Clearly, speaking of what others do is not racist. But the problem is...it's true and everybody knows it but those who say it must be punished because, although everybody knows it, nobody must think it. A writer whose name I cannot recall and who read romance novels so the rest of us don't have to observed that they always begin or have as a major plot point something ranging from rape to forcible seduction. For which he was called a rape apologist, just as if he were writing the bilge. Thing is, everybody knows it, the biz is worth $2 billion a year which is shameful if it invariably includes rape, but those who say it must be punished. Everybody gets it.

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  • Jabberwocky makes more sense than Aubrey, and much more entertaining.

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  • sub. You're either completely bubbled up in SJW-style armor, or you know exactly what I'm talking about but can't afford to admit it. Anyway, how come Heaven Sutton (aka ;who?") isn't a martyr?

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  • You should just retire to Branson, Missouri and go to Rod McKeun tribute shows.

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  • Branson. Had a hell of a story about Branson, but when I got to the part about the Dolly Parton Dixie Stampede, my wife started kicking me under the table. I was in the process of letting one of the exceptionally wonderful put on a really stinky shoe and announce to all "It fits!" But, anyway, what brings up Branson or McKuen? Best you can do? By now, it appears so. I can guarantee you that anybody at Branson--or anywhere else for that matter outside of your bubble--would be heartbroken over the story of Heaven Sutton (aka "who?") and wonder why Mike Brown gets the ink. Or, no. There's no wondering at all.

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  • Please elaborate, from the Branson POV.

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  • Aubrey, I was referring to your medical expertise.//Texan, I think that at a progressive political event, it's in general a good thing for the left to have progressive activism. NN is specifically designed to get candidates to pander to the progressive wing of the party. The currently most important progressive left wing grassroots movement showed up and said, pander to us. That's how things should work. Civility has its place, but it's function is not to prevent progressive activists from engaging candidates at a progressive forum. "Speak when you're spoken to" isn't even such a great mantra for school children; it certainly has no place in a venue supposedly devoted to a vigorous democratic dialogue with candidates.

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  • Noah. Everybody should have a chance to speak. But the progressives find that a threat. Hence the uninterrupted interruptions. sub. The Branson POV is normal people. Not leftists, not progressives. Normal people with consciences instead of ideologies. Clear, now?

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  • Ah, of course, people speaking freely is a threat to freedom of speech; democracy means politicians jawing at you without interruption. Be civil to Big Brother and all will be well. Now at last I understand...Freedom.

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  • What is clear,Aubrey, is that your taste in music is appalling (Branson being a punchline) and that watching a lot of Marcus Welby M.D. back in the day makes you a medical expert.

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  • sub. The medical knowledge,if it's in regard to Garner, is from the reports on his death. The chokehold knowledge is from time in judo. And I have the Red Cross and Infantry first aid to judge when I heard about his treatment. My fave is Fantasy on Theme by Thomas Tallis. Mille Regretz by pretty much anybody but mostly Paula bar Giese. Youtube. And Shenandoah. What's with Branson? You seem to think you're a telepath, what with all the baseless and inaccurate accusations. Clearly, one thing you've figured out is that you don't have anything else. One insight a week is pretty good. Noah, As to speaking freely, does that mean someone who is interrupted and not allowed to speak further is speaking freely? Or is permanent possession of the mic by the Right Sort the only free speaking you acknowledge? This is like being in jr. hi. Get busted on the facts and it's on to ad hom. Used to be, other places on the 'net, it took longer.

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  • Tell us all about how Jack Reacher was actually based on your life, Aubrey.

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  • Save me some google time. Who's Jack Reacher?

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  • Why would anyone save you any time, lazybones?

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  • Apple. All you splicers have left is ad hom. As I said earlier, most folks take longer to run through their supply of BS before they get to ad hom. Sort of...not even, exactly--but more interesting. I did wiki Reacher. I think Travis McGee had a better backstory, and Rod Taylor is better than Cruise.

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  • Yes, your talent is obviously wasted on Splice Today. So why not do everyone a favor and spread your incoherency to National Review, NYTimes or Hooded Utilitarian?

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  • russ. I guess I just can't stop myself from fishbarrel shooting. I know I need an intervention, but at least I don't torment puppies.

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  • No, I snark. I am actually interested in seeing how much or how little resistant some folks are to the idea that Everybody Knows Better Already. I mean, someplace up there somebody got the idea that going "BRANSON" was debate gold. Maybe somebody can let me know what I'm supposed to do or feel upon hearing "BRANSON".

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  • I imagine it makes you feel good to hear Branson, like Rod McKuen makes you feel good, especially when listening to his version of Seasons in the Sun does.

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  • You're unpleasant and you don't listen. People notice.

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  • About this "ad hom" business. I caught you in a strawman and you had no answer. I also caught you in a racist joke. So you're pretending you got called racist because of your arguments. Nope.

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  • sub. You imagine. Based on what? Got anything substantive?

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  • C.T. I think the point is that I do listen. Noah, when I said that everybody should be able to speak, said I must be wanting only the right sorts to be allowed to speak. I fully expect you to lie about what I said to people who have no way of knowing what I said. It's a progressive thing. But what's the point about lying to me about what I said? Am I supposed to be confused? I know it, too, is a progressive thing, but I don't get what the result is supposed to be.

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  • So, anyway, what is "BRANSON" supposed to mean?

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  • "or Hooded Utilitarian? " /Hey, now. That's just mean.

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  • You wonder how low someone can go, then you read the comments Aubrey makes after a very young person writes a personal,revealing story that had to be very hard to write. When you use the word "unpleasant" about such a person, you are being very kind.

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  • sub. If you're talking about the mental health piece, you missed again. On account of I'm charitable, I'll allow you did it by accident. Here's what happened, which I'm inclined to think you missed, instead of lying about it: The piece had two themes; the person's troubles and the discussion about the need for a revolution in mental health. Two separate themes. I addressed only the latter. Did you miss that? Well, I guess you did, or you didn't but hope you can fool other people, who actually read the piece and the comments....? About what they read? Come on. Nobody's that stupid. But by pretending the piece was only about the person's problems, despite the headline about a necessary revolution--who on earth do you think is dumb enough to buy that?--you think you can make me look bad because I addressed the other theme you pretend wasn't involved. Sub, if I were expected to believe you, I'd be insulted.

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  • sub, let me give you an example of what I don't get by something I do. Years ago, when the Duke lax hoax was hot, I said the evidence looked as if the guys didn't do it. One feminist commenter immediately said I'd emailed her a death threat. Not a surprise. Goes with the territory when you're dealing with feminists and progressives. But the thing is, sub, not one of the people reading her lie was in a position to know I hadn't actually done it. Here's my question: You lied about me to people, and only to people, who know better. How does the math on that work out? I get that most think vile accusations against those who disagree are just dandy. But what, then, is the point when everybody knows better?

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  • I would love to hear the lie I supposedly told about you.

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  • That I was being mean to the person with the mental health issue. Jeez, sub. Don't you get it....?

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  • Best if you just cut and paste my lie. For accuracy's sake.

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  • You wonder how low someone can go, then you read the comments Aubrey makes after a very young person writes a personal,revealing story that had to be very hard to write. When you use the word "unpleasant" about such a person, you are being very kind. There you go, sub. As to racist joke you caught--like on Law and Order--I suspect it was "rayciss". Let me enlighten you that everybody including you know better. It is a general word for anybody who plays the race card. For example, Andrea Mitchell trying to get a friend of the Chattanooga shooter to admit he might have been involved in shooting or hunting or small-town American activities (Chattanooga is not a small town) is "rayciss", or "raycess" because Mitchell is trying to blame a group which is not involved but which is the designated punching bag for the Unqualified Know it Alls. That's "rayciss", which you know and I know you know and now you know I know. Clear? It's also "rayciss" to suggest the Baltimore mayor, ex-police commissioner and Mosby are incompetent and dishonest. IOW, "rayciss" is making fun of false changes of "racist". As if only racism could cause concern about the performance of those clowns. Not that you know I know you know, you can try something else.

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  • Aubrey, I'll second the thoughts my boss (our publisher Russ) has expressed (minus wishing you on Noah's site) and add a few. You need to spend more time with family or friends or strangers in the real world. Get a hobby. Read a book. Start your own website and write your 3000 words a day there. Do something other than leave confusing, longwinded comments on our site that upset our hard-working, dedicated, intelligent writers who don't deserve to have to deal with the bullshit.

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  • marymac. Upset? Should be made of sterner stuff. I admit it does take time to describe how somebody misrepresented what I said. Solution would be to not misrepresent what people say. But, as in other cases, that's all the writer has. Not my idea. Rather they had...facts and stuff. But that's so twentieth century.

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  • Over half of Aubreys comments are beyond my comprehension. That said, sub, has an established history of distorting/lying about others comments, as an attempt to refute their arguments/questions instead of responding with logic and relevance. Whereas Noah tends to repeat his position with a condescending tone instead of engaging in reasonable discourse. For example, see his comments on the Stars and Bars article.

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  • "Established" in the mind of one very unreliable narrator, I might add. Not terribly convincing.

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  • Where was the lie in that bit you cut and pasted from Mr Beck? Also, Beck isn't the one who said he caught you being racist. That was me. To defend yourself you cite a moment involving Andrea Mitchell that doesn't involve the word in question. You're confused again.

  • Yes, this is getting kind of embarrassing at this point.I could almost feel sorry for him but....

  • This Richard Aubrey sure is a dick, but I'm enjoying the food fight.

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  • It's slapstick drama, if that exists.

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  • C.T. The lie is the part about me being mean to the unfortunate person. Not true. I didn't address her or her issue. I addressed the "revolution" part of the piece, suggested by the headline. I know this and I know you know this. Thing is, Texan, this is how progressives work. Get busted on facts--easier here than anyplace else I've seen--and go to ad hom or misrepresenting what you said and making you out to be a bad person. The next step in the dance is you go all defensive trying to prove you're not the bad person they say you are. It's supposed to work and, lacking facts and logic, it's all they have. It's why they get kind of disoriented when the person doesn't go all defense. That's why the next response is to call it "bullshit". They have nothing else and, as I said wrt another issue, what they are actually doing is putting on a shoe, waving it around and yelling, "it fits!!" Still haven't figured out what's supposed to happen when "BRANSON" is deployed. Also, if graf indents worked, things would be easier.

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  • Could you elaborate on that little? Please discuss "aka who" as well.

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  • It's like trying to reason with a brain-damaged cat. I'm done. I encourage my fellow writers to join me (and Todd Seavey, apparently) in employing a radio silence policy instead of providing additional fodder for resident ferals.

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  • Yes, the bloviator would would move on to greener pastures and spew his incomprehensible nonsense there if he were ignored.

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  • wrt (aka "who?") This is an insert designed to demonstrate that ostentatious concern/mourning/outrage over one or another issue is hypocritical. For example, outrage over the vile stuff supposedly done to Crystal Mangum. Was actually done to Dukie Katie Rouse. But nobody cared. Wrong narrative. It wasn't about what happens to women, it was about the narrative. Thus, Katie Rouse became (aka "who?") Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin are martyred heroes while any number of blacks who've been killed are less than nothing. Heaven Sutton, a nine-year-old gunned down by gangbangers in Chicago is a nobody to the progressive, SJW types. Because it's not about black lives, it's about the narrative. Which is why this little girl, not much older than my granddaughter is "who?" to the Semi Professionally Exceptionally Wonderful (SPEW or progressives) who are always going on about their higher evolution and moral character. Or it could be Chris Cervini, killed in self-defense by Roderick Scott who was acquitted. Wrong narrative. Cervini and Scott are "who?" Or Chris Lane, killed out of boredom, is a "who?", since it doesn't fit the narrative. Clear? I hope it's clear to you. It's clear as polished plate glass to everybody else.

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  • That's a good outline but would like a little more depth please.

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  • Here you go, sub. Everybody's on to you. Everybody knows you know better. Nobody believes you. From outside the bubble...you look strange.

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  • Who's everybody?

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  • Sub, did you pull the wings off of flies as a kid? Grow up already.

  • Tex. I think he's working out the trauma that the flies intimidated him.

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  • Tex, kind of hard on Subbeck, don't you think? Anyway, seems like the Bernie express is slowing down, since he needs media and the reality TV personality is sucking it all up.

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