Charlotte Rampling: There was no strategy at all. I didn’t really know what I was getting into.
Bill Orcutt: Seemed like a good opportunity.
Rampling: I have to make commercial things fun.
Orcutt: That one, I guess, is not improvised.
Rampling: It was all about seduction.
Orcutt: No, not really. That’s Diana Ross.
Rampling: She's one of the characters I've played that attracted me the least.
Orcutt: Yeah, after we moved, it took a long time to unpack and get set up.
Rampling: And it’s an otherness. Withholding that could have the potential of manipulation.
Orcutt: When I was growing up, it would always be in thrift shops and flea markets and stuff. But yeah, I was surprised.
Rampling: Yeah, it's wonderful, isn't it?
Orcutt: Yeah. You know, yeah, you can look at the video.
Rampling: It sounds great in print. But terribly, terribly drugged.
Orcutt: Some of them are.
Rampling: And then you start to lose yourself.
Orcutt: For a long time. I like that idea. I’m not planning on it right now.
Rampling: You’re evolving.
Orcutt: It’s nothing I’m doing intentionally—I don’t even really know how it’s happening, but it’s like the guitar is literally turning into dust.
Rampling: Oh, sweet.