And these harsh interrogation methods had
been used by the Soviets and the Chinese to get people to say things that
weren't true? That's true. And it's not just harsh
physically, but I think the element that was more persuasive was their ability
to induce what is known as debility, depression and dread through emotional and
psychological techniques that profoundly altered somebody's ability to answer
questions truthfully even if they wanted to. It truly undermined their ability
to recall, so therefore it would call into question its efficacy in an
intelligence-based interrogation. I want you to describe the interrogation
that's included in the Senate report. You witnessed an Iraqi detainee in a room
that has been completely darkened? Yes, I walked into this room, and it was a
small room with the walls painted black. There was an interrogator sitting in a
chair. To his left was an interpreter. The detainee was kneeling with his
wrists handcuffed behind his back before the interrogator. Standing behind the
interrogator was a guard carrying a — I don't recall now if it was wood or iron
rod — and it was almost stereotypical, being patted into his hand like it was
some B movie, gangster movie, if you will.And the questions were posed to the detainee,
interpreted. The detainee would answer, the answer was interpreted, and upon
that interpretation, the interrogator would slap him across the face. For those
who have read the report, they talk about in survival training, an "insult
slap." It's very important to understand that those are affected in a very
careful fashion, and to truly shock someone rather than hurt them. And this
type of slap was much more forceful. The other difference is, it was being
delivered systematically, and when I walked in, I asked how long it had been
going on, and I was told "30 minutes." So this individual had been
slapped continuously while he was on his knees for 30 minutes.
Same Techniques Used by the Soviets and the Chinese
No, our moral compass is fine.