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Apr 18, 2008, 06:40AM

They're All Zombies

A recent article puts the national spotlight on “Humans vs. Zombies,” where students all but prove the lack of seriousness at liberal arts colleges.

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The Washington Post devoted 4300 words of its April 13 magazine to an article about “Humans vs. Zombies,” a small phenomenon that started at Baltimore’s Goucher College and has since spread to larger universities like Penn State and Cornell. (Read the article here.) The game is essentially a glorified version of tag—one player starts as the “Original Zombie” and the rest start as “humans” that get tagged and converted to the mock undead. The ranks of either side grow based on strategy and planning until one is declared a winner. Most people probably passed time in a similar way throughout their childhood.

But “H v. Z,” as it’s commonly abbreviated, isn’t meant as a pleasant way to spend a spring day. At Goucher, where the Post profile was set, the game includes 200 students, frequently lasts a week or more, and requires plenty of firepower in the form of Nerf guns. Max Temkin, a ringleader of Goucher’s human division and the main subject of the Post piece, was more than happy to exhibit all of his 10 Nerf weapons to reporter Laura Wexler. He pontificates about his “inner child” and the “weird kid” camaraderie that H v. Z promotes, unmoved by anyone who might feel threatened by roving packs of gun-toting students prowling their campus (wearing, in his own case, “steel-toed ‘zombie-stomping boots’”). He also never makes it clear why, of all days, Goucher students chose to start the spring 2008 H v. Z game on April 16, the one-year anniversary of the Virginia Tech shootings perpetrated by Seung Hui Cho, another nerd with a penchant for artillery.

No, Temkin didn’t address such things because a school shooting is a serious matter, and nerds of this intensity are incapable of confronting serious issues head-on. In the May 8, 2007 edition of The Quindecim, Goucher’s school paper, Temkin called H v. Z “a peculiarity that exists at Goucher that you couldn’t find at any other school.” Now that the game has been embraced by students at a dozen-odd other colleges, we can see its proponents for what they really are: kids who view college as a four-year playground.

These students exists at any school—hence the popularity of H v. Z at bigger campuses like the University of Maryland and Bowling Green State—but it’s telling that this game originated on a 1350-person campus like Goucher’s; something about the self-contained small communities of liberal arts colleges enables students to waste their time in such needlessly complicated ways. As a recent alumnus of such a school, I’ve seen that most undergraduate humanities majors were able obtain a GPA in the B range while doing barely any work. (The same can’t be said for science majors, it should be noted.) I have no idea what kind of work ethic Temkin and his cohorts have, nor do I know the average grades of H v. Z players, but they are familiar types insofar as the Post portrays them.

Their confidence suddenly boosted after leaving high school (and home), these proudly “weird” kids find themselves with a dearth of necessary schoolwork and a whole new audience to impress with their superficial quirks. Maybe they wear a funky hat or cut their hair into a Mohawk. Maybe they stop wearing shoes around campus or start throwing a Frisbee in obviously inappropriate spots. Or maybe they buy 10 Nerf guns and stop going to class, the better to focus on their 24-hour-a-day zombie fantasy. “[A] player’s life can be entirely consumed by the game” during H v. Z, writes Quindecim interviewer Asa Eisenhardt. The Post article abounds with descriptions of the participants’ months-long preparation, the time-consuming strategy involved, and, of course, the necessary hours spent convincing the administration that H v. Z is a legitimate way to spend time.

It’s not, and that’s what makes the participants “nerds” as opposed to plain-old dedicated students. Young people who attend to their classes and reading, or who campaign on campus for a social issue—these are examples of students who appreciate college for what is: four years with relatively little responsibility and commitment, where free time is yours to fill in productive ways. Alternatively, you can become Jonathan Suss, a Goucher freshman in the Post profile who tagged a key human by “waiting in the shower stall in the bathroom for eight hours.” Clearly the Goucher administration have this image in mind when they claim in their marketing materials that their students “engage the world as true global citizens.”

Of course, it’s the liberal arts academic mentality that allows this type of student to float by undeterred. Throughout my own experience, seminar instructors hardly ever told students they were wrong, and they instead opted for gentler retorts like, “Well, can you find any examples in the text?” The result is a nationwide army of students who know a few academic buzzwords and talking points, but who lack any kind of true intellectual seriousness. By and large, these students grew up expecting to go to college, viewing it more as a rite of passage than a privilege. When they show up and a thesis on Dave Eggers or Chuck Palahniuk is valued the same as one on Adam Smith or Aristotle, what could seem more mundane? This type of academia merely reinforces and bolsters a student’s existing personality by piling on jargon; I’m reminded of the time I sat in the cafeteria and heard a junior philosophy major unironically describe his squalid campus bedroom as “a Hobbesian state of nature.” Three years of philosophy classes and no one had sufficiently emphasized that Hobbes was concerned with man’s natural proclivity to conflict and war, not a bongwater stain on the carpet.

Put yourself in the position of such a young person: You arrive to college after years of being told you’ll be there, and you find that the student body isn’t much bigger (probably even smaller) than your high school, and much more socially forgiving. The institution “prides itself on encouraging students to be individuals” (Wexler’s description of Goucher), which in actuality means no one will ever tell you you’re wrong, even if you run around campus with fake firearms on the anniversary of a school shooting. You soon find a group of like-minded “individuals” and all realize that the barest minimum of academic work will secure you a B or C average. Possessing a small vocabulary’s worth of academic jargon, and with no impetus to interact with life outside a self-contained campus, you’re free to pass the time however your zombie-loving heart pleases. Suddenly you end up being profiled by The Washington Post, agreeing that your preposterously complicated version of tag provokes questions about “the balance of security and freedom.”

Again, this kind of attention-getting “quirkiness” no doubt happens in bigger schools, but it’s harder to get noticed in an environment like Bowling Green (undergraduate population: 29,000). Hence the events of April 8 at Alfred University (total student population: 2300), where an H v. Z participant was seen walking around campus with a large gun peeking out of his shirt. A frightened student justifiably called the college police, who instituted a campus-wide lockdown for over two hours. All this so a guy could take out a “zombie” with maximum efficiency.

“How has the Virginia Tech shooting affected me personally?” Temkin rhetorically asks Wexler. “It’s reduced my individual liberty as a student because of the reaction to it. I obviously think school shootings are a tragedy… But I just don’t see how they connect to our game of tag.” In other words, he sees no connection between gun-related violence on campuses and a weeks-long game that requires participants to carry realistic-looking toy guns, with some players dressed “all in black, wearing leg and shoulder holsters,” as Goucher student Sutton Ashby is described in the Post. And why would he see such a connection, when the administration refuses to call a fool a fool? Wexler quotes Goucher president Sanford Ungar’s comments from the recent alumni quarterly: “We will not seek to label as ‘dangerous’ every student who is merely different… We must make our decision with an eye toward striking a delicate balance between security and personal freedom.”

These students aren’t so “different,” though, as proven by the participation of 200 Goucher undergraduates in the game, far more than any official campus club. They’re just kids who don’t appreciate the opportunity they have to attend college, so they’ve turned it into a 287-acre playpen in which to act out adolescent games. Are they aware that only 35% of Americans get to attend college in the first place, or that the average total cost of a private institution is $25,200 a year? Tuitions keep rising so colleges can provide students with more opportunities and more luxurious campus settings, but too few people are asking whether or not it’s a good deal to pay thousands upon thousands of dollars so your kid can spend his time “killing zombies” for four years. In preparation for the recent games, Temkin claims to have read The Art of War. He must have skipped over one well-known piece of Sun Tzu’s advice: “Opportunities multiply as they are seized.”

Discussion
  • Great article. This kind of rich kid nonsense is one of the reasons I dropped out of UCLA after one year and got a job.

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  • This sounds like time that could be better spent drinking or getting laid. I'm guessing the latter isn't much of an option for these guys though.

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  • If the parents of these kids spend the money to send them to a glorified day care center (albeit with a slightly more complicated vocabulary), maybe they should take the blame. Or the administrators that sell parents glossy terms like "enrichment" and "personal growth" for thousands of dollars. After all, in a way they're just taking advantage of what the system allows. Somebody pays for your every need, you get to run around and pretend you're in Dawn of the Dead, and you can read some good books if you feel like it. I don't know if it's their fault for deciding to do that.

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  • "youth is wasted on the young"

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  • Humans vs. Zombies is a legitimate game theoretical situation which was examined in two separate classes (Economics and Political Science) that I took in college. It is a way to examine the effects of a panic on the population and how it spreads to different areas. Here's a nice link: http://zombies.insertdisc.com/mattcordes/ If this game were an experiment in political theory, I'd say that these kids were doing a great job of applying their education. Instead, since they haven't made that argument to the administration, I'm going to guess that they have no idea of the implications of their game and that all of the criticism they've gotten so far is well deserved.

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  • I think this transcends just what a liberal arts education has turned into. We are living in the day were everyone (espicially politicians vying for president) think that 'no child should be left behind.' IE, everyone should go to college. Guess what, COLLEGE IS NOT AND SHOULD NOT BE FOR EVERYONE!!!!! The problem we have these days is we are holding onto this fading image of obtaining a bachelor's degree requiring a certain pursuit of knowledge. Now, the BA is the new high school diploma. Our society is starting to take this as a standard, thus the whole experience has been devauled.

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  • Also, there is the new phenomenon of the '20' something. You know, that ass-hole 23 year old making 50k a year at some entry level job in DC. Hardwood floors, a record collection, and thinks a 8-5 workday is tough. Today, we are expected to be grown up by 30, not 22. Back when all our preconceptions of college we founded, undergraduates were expected to be married and have a kid coming out of the chute. Such events are sobering, maturing experiences. I bet if you were a Dad during undergrad, you would have LOATHED this H&Z game.

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  • PS, Lingan, great razor sharp article here. Keep up the good work. Also, could you give me some advice on which Taco Bell meal is the best.....no no, Lingan....I mean the BEST. So good, that you might have to write an article about it....

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  • eight hours in a shower stall? say what you will about their stupid game, but that's dedication.

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  • It's not so much the weird games of "H v. Z" that bother me, but rather the infatuation with drinking games as a way to pass time. I just don't get it. But yes, I think this article has a legitimate article. It's a little harsh, but as a student at a small, midwest liberal arts school myself, I'd have to agree with the majority of your observations.

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  • cannot wait 2 be in debt for years with games like these!!

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  • Having beared through this entire article, I feel it safe to say that one has to experience walking through Goucher's campus while a game is going on to really understand the nature of it. I'm from Goucher, and I've never played, but I've always been a huge supporter of the game because it is something that brings people together, and its just a hell of a lot of fun, which, by the way, many people consider an important part of their education, as well as their life. I should also like to mention that many of us found the Washington Post's portrayal of the game as hysterically over-dramatized, particularly the sections describing Max Temkin, considering many of us know him. He happens to be one of the more involved students on campus, with a passion for student rights and supporting student efforts in social and political issues. In fact, now that I think about it, he's running for SGA VP for Student Action next year. He's been Parliamentarian this year, and he does take his education very seriously, as do many of the players in the game. The truth is, if you work hard, playing hard is just as important for staying sane. I don't know what kind of experience you had at your liberal arts college, but mine at Goucher has been nothing but educational on academic, social, experience, and community levels. Email me if you'd like to ask me more to better understand some of the initiatives of the game.

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  • Oh, and by the way, the reason the H v. Z game this semester began on April 16th, from what I understand, was to honor the victims of the Virginia Tech shooting. On that day, no one was allowed to carry a nerf gun and the Original Zombie did not begin tagging anyone until the next day.

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  • MSamuels: I'd love to talk-- john@splicetoday.com. Thanks.

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  • I am a student at Goucher College, and I went to public school in NYC, among people who did not enjoy such privileges during K-12. I am not a privileged white kid, as was implied in this article and in the comments, and I take my education very seriously. With that said, I'd like to echo Margaret's sentiment: if you work hard, you should play hard. I'd rather add an element of folly to my life along with my education and my future career (public school, inner city teacher) otherwise it would mean a disheartening existence. I was also profiled in the article and I have to say that it has connected me to the community as a whole. We have had community discussions at length about the game, and among ourselves. Many of us are aware of what the game implies or how it can be interpreted. However, we choose to view it through innocent eyes of just trying to have fun. Any other approach is just too jaded.

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  • Talking beyond college, what is the whole cultural fascination with Zombies these days anyway? Just last weekend I was invited to a Zombie Prom for someone's 30th! birthday. I constantly read about public events in NYC where normal people dress as ghouls and show up at Circuit City or something. What is this infection that has us in it's grip?

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  • Yeah, and there are all these zombie movies that are so popular. Maybe, since we don't believe in God anymore, zombies are the best outlet for the human apocalyptic/millennialist/end of times fascination.

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  • At Virginia Tech., unsuspecting nerdy students were shot dead, for real, by someone insane. In this article, YOU have attacked unsuspecting, nerdy students (pinpointing my son, Jonathan Suss, who has already declared a Chemistry major), disparaging them in front of the world for participating in an imaginative, cooperative, and nonviolent game of tag. I am proud of Jonathan's participation in the game. He showed dedication and team spirit, and had a hell of a good time making new friends (who supplied him with food while he waited in ambush). In your opinion, it would seem that all competitions and strategy "games" are evil wastes of time -- I suppose that includes games of chess as well as battles in the laboratory against "innocent" diseases. Good for you, focusing anger and attention on such a non-topic! -Randi Suss, Maryland

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  • "Props" vs. "Hombre" has nothing on this lady!

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  • i agree the writer of this article is as evil as the virginia tech shooter, if not worse because he doesn't have the decency to shoot himself.

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  • No disrespect intended, Mrs. Suss, but I think John Lingan, author of the excellent "Zombies" article ,was also questioning time students, like your son, are wasting playing "tag," while they could be taking advantage of a college's resources. But hey, it's your family's money.

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  • Mrs. Suss is right--playing a zombie game is like curing cancer. Her son is truly fighing the good fight.

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  • I remember this article for its rightful lampooning of college students wasting time. And it makes me wonder about David Mekelburg's current article suggesting that American college students are more "grown up" than their counterparts in other countries. I'd say this piece is a good refutation of Mekelburg's main point.

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  • First off, Billy, that is not cool at all. No one want s to hear stuff like that. Second, I actually went to a non-liberal arts college that was located in the city and was full of commuters; extremely boring. Yes, I was getting a great education, and competing in sports at the same time, but I was not interacting on a level that these students are. My brother went to a liberal arts school and I could only wish I was able to take the kinds of classes he took AND participate in on campus stuff. Some people's comments make it sound like college is supposed to be this glorious institution where you go to school, organize a worthy protest, and prepare for your future. College is a business, nothing more. And now the students realize that and, in depressing times such as the present, decide, "You know what, while I am here, I am going to enjoy myself and have some fun." Are they dropping out of school? No. Are they failing there classes? No. Praises to Goucher for looking at their students as human beings with potential instead of a number and a check.

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  • A fine article about "the lack of seriousness at liberal arts colleges."

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  • While I applaud the author for sounding like a down-to-earth, no-nonsense guy, it appears as though he never learned that stress is worse for your grades than any club activity. I play HvZ actively on my UMD campus, and it helps a lot with de-stressing during and after exams. The game also helped me make my first group of friends during freshman year--I love being on-campus now, and wouldn't be anywhere else (unless they had an HvZ game too). A lot of professors have even been known to play with us, and we have graduate students and commuters and part-timers too. In my opinion, people who complain about HvZ as being a waste of time don't really seem to know what they're talking about. I'd also like to point out that those of us who play HvZ tend to be in better shape than a majority of non-playing college students. Being fit is a key part to 'surviving' the game, and I think that playing this "glorified game of tag" is a great way to start a lifetime habit of exercising. Oh, and, just for the record, a large majority of our players are science majors. They do not 'do the minimum required to get by'; in fact, a lot of the science/math/etc majors are some of the most hardcore players I've seen. I challenge anyone who claims this game is a waste of time to find a campus near them that has the game running, and play for even a few days. Just try it.

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  • As someone who didn't finish college because I couldn't afford it, I may have a chip on my shoulder. But it still burns me to see kids who have advantage of being able to spend four years reading classic and contemporary books, talking to learned professors and not worrying about make ends met, spend time on games like this. I'm sure plenty of those students who play are keeping up with their studies, but a lot are wasting an opportunity--and a lot of money.

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  • Ditto on Alison777's comments, although I don't have a chip on my shoulder (though I might if my Angels don't win against the Red Sox in the ALDS). I dropped out of college for many reasons, the main one being that I wanted to work and not waste any more time.

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  • Whatever happened to beer pong?

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  • Mr. Lingan sounds like he needs a break from his Dickens tomes and a well deserved round of 'ruit.

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  • Does anyone else find it funny that an article about zombies has risen from the eternal slumber of the archives?

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  • Hey "merkitmuffin," are you a trust fund kid? I think John Lingan wrote a brilliant article and Dickens will never go out of fashion, unlike this stupid game that Lingan describes.

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  • No, I'm no trust fund kid, jerk. There's time for school and fun in college, that is if you know what fun actually is.

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  • I have to say, in my 4 years I learned far more out of class than in. During my sophmore year I probably skipped classes 2 or 3 days a week to watch old movies or go off into Baltimore. I failed my study abroad semester (2nd semester, junior year) to get drunk and bum around. And I still graduated Cum Laude. What's that say about our fucked up Higher Education system?

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  • Maybe that's why you can't spell "sophomore."

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  • I'm sorry, let me just reduce the argument to your level: 8===D

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  • While I find zkauf1's blase description of his college career a little curious, who's to judge these students who play "tag" or whatever the latest fad is? In reality, a lot of these kids will be leaders in the next two decades, and it won't matter a bit if they blew off steam playing games.

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  • Society pampers kids, whether in college or not, and the idea that 20-year-old college students are under a lot of stress (compared to people trying to make ends meet, providing for their families, etc.) is a little strange. On the other hand, what's so bad about these students having some fun? The author, and some of those who commented, are too harsh, in my opinion.

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  • Spartan, don't blame the messenger. I think John Lingan does a public service with this article. To paraphrase the old 60s saying, "A college education is a terrible thing to waste."

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  • I'd love to read a follow-up to this article almost a year after. I wonder if the taggers are feeling less frisky because of the economy?

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  • As a junior at BSU and a participant in every game of HvZ that has happened on campus (the first BSU game started my freshman year), I can't help but read this article and derisively laugh at it. The author has taken extreme cases and tried to apply them to the whole of the student body involved. Sure, people have the choice to skip their classes because of a game. People can do a lot of stupid things both in a college setting and in the 'real world.' That does not mean that the game is to be faulted. Down another line of thought, I find the blatant hypocrisy disgusting. Somehow it is acceptable for a student to be given money to come to college, get preferential treatment for selecting classes, be allowed (encouraged, even) to work out many hours a week all in preparation to wear tights and throw a little ball around a field periodically throughout the year. How dare any person try to defend that and simultaneously critique any other game students are trying to play. Players of HvZ ask for no special exemption, or money, or preferential treatment, unlike the comically vaunted athletes you so docilely accept. Another point - the idea of the small liberal arts colleges is outright erroneous. For example, my college has some 16,000 students - at the risk of understating facts I'll say the college is bigger than my high school of a few thousand. Finally, the irreverence with which the author treats these 'nerds' (myself included in this pejorative demographic) is loathsome, libelous, and stereotyping. Evidently Lingan is such a gifted reader of human nature, and such an empath that he can read these 'nerds,' obviously must be socially retarded, weird, abnormal children who just want to waste the good average american's money and make their strangeness a spectacle because they can't understand how shameful they are. They should learn to drink themselves stupid every weekend, sit on their asses and watch tv for hours while they eat Burger King, and bitch about the Superbowl like everyone else.

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  • Hey, education is MY investment, and if Big Buisness seems to think I have to pay another big buisness $40,000 a year to contribute to their company, you're DAMN RIGHT I'm running around with a nerf gun in my free time. If you'd like to pay for my education, you're more then welcome to tell me how to spend my time. Also, I own 10 nerf guns, spend way too much time at my liberal arts college shooting zombies. I'm also a Journalism Major at a Liberal arts college. Are you suggesting that we don't need journalists, Mr. Journalist? also, Purdue just hosted the largest game of HvZ ever, almost 2,000 people. By the way, Purdue is a Math and Science school. Anyways, this article is bad and you should feel bad.

  • Let us all raise our glasses: To the death of coherent arguments! Huzzah!

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  • Just think, if you learn to capitalize correctly and significantly improve your grammar, you might advance to the rank of Journalism Lieutenant Colonel!

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  • Bodisvaha: Thanks for reading and engaging this piece, written almost two years ago. I stand by all of it. As for my "libelous" remarks, I'd say that "nerd" is a fairly tame term in any context, specifically one in which a writer goes out of his way to acknowledge that he knows the people in question only from a single article. More generally, I tried to make clear that the problem here is systemic, not individual. By all means, run around with your Nerf guns. You're right, it's your money, and I wouldn't think to tell you otherwise. But it's a tremendous amount of money, and I feel, both from experience and from reading things like this Post article, that the product most American colleges receive for their payments is a joke. This is not a controversial statement, and like you mention, there are scads of other problems on college campuses nowadays to support it. (Though your feelings on student athletes are at least as superficial and generalized as mine on Zombie players, probably more so.) But the Zombies phenomenon, as I took pains to say, is familiar to me as a graduate of one of these schools. These people are "familiar types." Are they the worst people at their schools? Almost certainly not. Are they uniquely awful or offensive? Not at all, and that's the problem. But this one particular game, and also the incredibly self-righteous way it's defended by the Post interviewees, perfectly encapsulate a silly culture in which people (parents) willingly pay oodles of money for a product that largely just coddles their children and expects almost nothing of them. And the measurable value of this product decreases every year. And again, I'm talking about liberal arts schools here; state schools, by design, are more beholden to outside expectations and thus theoretically less insular. Thanks again for reading.

  • Saboface: I feel great. Thanks for reading, and I'll see you out there in the great journalistic wild west. Take care.

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  • Actually, have you looked at colleges from other countries? My dad works for a German company, and something interesting I've come across is that every one of the Germans my dad has come across is a Doctorate. Is this because they're all incredibly intelligent and hard-working? No. Actually, it's because a their system is completely different, and their system makes a B.A. in anything almost worthless, the equivlant of a high school diploma in the States. Our colleges, for being as poor as you claim them to be, are pretty much better then any other college in the world, because you're going to find a similar pattern just about anywhere else you go. Yeah, we're certainly slowing in our growth, but we're not as dreadful as I think you seem to think we are. And by the way, several state schools play this game, just so you're aware. Also, to other users, apoligies for my grammar not being absolutely stellar, the way the comment box is set up makes reviewing for posting rather difficult, and I wasn't aware my paragraph breaks would be deleted. Fish out of water happens :/

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  • That the German education system isn't as good as ours completely misses the point. Some countries have good systems (education, health care, et al), others don't. That doesn't negate any criticisms of the superior system. Your point that our colleges are "pretty much better then any other college in the world" ignores the fact that ridiculous tuition rates prevent many from attaining BAs from vaunted schools. Our incredible education system is limited to those who can pay. And yet these massively expensive schools are incredibly lax in their academic oversight, and crazes like HvZ only further cement the notion that college is a rich kid's playground. Is that completely true? No. Do our colleges, and in particular the tiny liberal arts colleges, spit out highly intelligent people? Yes. But those two points don't negate John's criticism of a ridiculous academic culture that celebrates its own unseriousness while claiming it creates "students of the world." At the end of the day HvZ isn't an evil thing (or, I guess, only the undead half of it is?); kids are going to spend their free time doing all sorts of silly things that are important in other ways (meeting people outside the prescribed social norms of a given college, for instance). John's argument, harsh as it is, is that HvZ is emblematic of a much larger issue.

  • Perhaps I'm missing something, but I do not see how one's choice of free-time recreation is in any way indicative of the quality of one's serious work. Unless you wish to make the case that university students should not have free time at all, it is necessary to demonstrate that this recreational activity is inherently worse than joining the chess club, reading a novel, or watching a movie.

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  • Actually, time and time again, you keep trying to point out that our colleges are "too lax in this" "too liberal in that" ect ect. I'm trying to point that, while maybe you think what we have sucks, it's pretty much a lot worse everywhere else. And that was the point I was trying to make. By the way, high tuition rates KEEP the quality of our education system high. You're less likely to blow off your education if you're paying out the nose to get it. Yeah, college might be a rich kid's playground, but the honest truth is, the WORLD is a rich kid's (and rich adult's) playground, and fixing college isn't going to stop rich people from being rich. You keep stateing that Acedemic Institutions are incredibly lax in their acedemic oversight. What do you mean, and can you provide any evidence of such? I'm gonna side with DeathMagus on this, are you argueing that College Student's shouldn't have free time at all? That they must ALWAYS be doing something productive? Why do you think being unserious is a bad thing? What's wrong with that? How does not being serious sometimes = not a student of the world? You claim that meeting people outside of perscribed social norms is important? By the way, we do that in HvZ. The ultimate problem here is that you and John are making incredibly rash generalizations based on some really extreme examples, and if you aren't willing to look past that, I don't know what else I can tell you.

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  • I say, as long as I'm making damn good grades, I am sure as hell going to run around with a gaudy Nerf gun and shoot at oncoming zombies. As many people have pointed out before, it's better than getting drunk or whoring around at the frat parties that everyone seems to love so much. I would much rather be running around outside with a bunch of good-natured people up for a complex game of modified tag than stumbling down the sidewalk in an inebriated stupor. I enjoy what I enjoy and so long as it doesn't interfere with my grades or health, I'm going to enjoy life to it's fullest, even if that means laughing hysterically while I try to avoid being shot with a foam dart.

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  • I'm curious where the rumor started that this article advocates excess drinking and academically slothful student athletes above other, healthier extracurriculars. If you guys truly feel you're getting a good deal for your money at these places, then have a ball. Meanwhile, here's what "the best college system in the world" amounts to: 1) an increasing number of American science and tech jobs going to immigrants or overseas workers, 2) since the 80s, an increasing number of Ivy league graduates being funneled into the financial industry that everyone's talking so positively about nowadays, and 3) since the 1970s, a growing number of liberal arts humanities students who assume tremendous debt upon graduation and then more or less have to attend grad school to make serious use of their degree. So shoot your guns all you want, just don't tell me that this academic culture is working to our societal advantage, regardless of what individuals choose to do within it. Thank you all for reading.

  • "I'm curious where the rumor started that this article advocates excess drinking and academically slothful student athletes above other, healthier extracurriculars." A lot of us feel like if this was your point, you were picking one the wrong people and being extremely unfair about it.

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  • "As many people have pointed out before, it's better than getting drunk or whoring around at the frat parties that everyone seems to love so much." ...Only the nerdiest of nerds could say this: Bow to the Supreme Nerd Overlord. You're somewhere in this video aren't you: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x115u4_triumph-the-insult-comic-dog-star-w_fun

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  • Sabo: The minute someone at a major daily's magazine spends 4000 words praising the ingenuity, quirkiness, and creative spirit of a student alcoholic or pampered football player, I'll be on the case. For now, people only do this for self-important philosophy students who play trendy Nerf tag. Forgive my tunnel vision.

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  • My only major problem with this article is its complete disregard to even attempt to view the problem from the HvZ player's perspective. I personally play HvZ recreationally, it does not effect my schoolwork, homework and classes always come first. I just think of HvZ as an entertaining way to spend my passing periods and evenings. And HvZ is a major motivating factor towards my personal health. I have started running 1.5 miles a day to improve my conditioning for HvZ. So go ahead and make all the claims you want about how much of a waste of our time these kind of games are, but I personally believe that it has been only beneficial to me in both social and athletic manners. One of my best friends I met through HvZ. I am also incredibly unsure as to why you claim our quirkiness to be attention grabbing. quirkiness is one thing, but it doesn't attack anything or anyone like this extremely opinionated attention-grabbing editorial does. Now make all the attacks you want on my grammar; I'm an engineer, and language is not about following strict guidelines; it's about making an idea understandable to another human being. Grammar is inefficient and useless. The best writers sacrifice grammar first when stylizing their structure.

  • "Grammar is inefficient and useless." That's swell. Engineers have to communicate, one would imagine, with other people: if you can't speak or write coherently, it'd then be smart to woo Lady Luck.

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  • I wonder if any of the architects you're to work with in future will think the same way about, say, physics. Because, you know, architecture is about making an idea understandable to another human being, load-bearing walls and fire escapes be damned!

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  • "...Only the nerdiest of nerds could say this: Bow to the Supreme Nerd Overlord. You're somewhere in this video aren't you: " Dear lord, I wish that were the case. And I'm not the *nerdiest* of nerds, but I'd like to consider myself pretty high up in the rankings. ;)

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  • @Russ: My point remains valid. You could understand what I tried to say didn't you? That is all that matters, regardless of how poor my grammar is. After all, that is the point of communication. So Nazi away using grammar as your weapon, but the validity of the comments with poor grammar remain. Attacking grammar is just an elegant form of flaming and insulting. @andrew: Not all engineers are in construction; I'm a chemical engineer, not that that refutes your point. To refute your point I'll say this; If they understand the idea I'm conveying then the walls will bear the load, and the fire escapes will work, assuming of course that I'm competent.

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  • Yeah, and we got by just fine on grunts and cave scratchings for a few thousand years too, i guess some us just like to do a little better than that.

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  • Also: "Attacking grammar is just an elegant form of flaming and insulting." Wow. Powerful stuff. Especially right after, "Nazi away using grammar as your weapon..." Douche-tacular.

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  • "Douche-tacular." You mean, sort of like the way you like to nitpick at grammar instead of addressing the issue at hand? And John, most newspapers have an entire SECTION of their paper devoted to the ingenuity, quirkiness, and creative spirit of the football player (or whatever is in season at the time). Just sayin'. I don't think I can say quite so much for the student alcoholic, although I think the dangers of alcoholism are a little more self-apperent, and comparing them to HvZ or Football probably isn't a fair comparison. And while we're at it, because of this article, our organization is taking a poll of all HvZ player's majors, GPA's, and credit hours taken. You'll be sorry to hear that there aren't any philosophy majors so far, although there ARE 2 religious studies minors, and only about 1/4 of the results are in, so I suppose there's still hope for you. As for your "slacker" label, we're so far looking at fairly regular bellcurve settling comfortably over 3.5, and the number of credit hours taken is comprable to the credit hours of anyone else. If you have any other unsubstantiated claims you'd like to throw out there, please let me know. And I wouldn't consider any of us particularly more self-important than anyone else. In a debate (this goes to everyone), try as best as possible to avoid personal attacks, they only water down your arguement and don't really solve much of anything.

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  • And while we're talking about overseas immigrants, economy, and liberal arts students: 1) I hardly consider answering a phone and reading a script about how to fix a computer a "tech job." 2) Learn how the economy works before you make a comment on it like that. 3) Welcome to freedom of choice. If someone wants a Lib. Arts degree, they're gonna go get it. Sorry more people care about art these days? That has nothing to do with what you're talking about. I'd also, once again, like to invite you to look into what is considered a "Liberal Arts Degree." By the way, Journalism is considered a Liberal Arts degree. Are you discouraging people from going into your own profession? If anything, people having to go to grad school to make use of their degree is just showing that too many people are getting B.A.'s so the job market is saturated with them. Makeing people trying to get a B.A. miserable in their free time (or lessening that free time) isn't going to undo this. So in your last paragraph, you claimed that HvZ players are unapprciateive of the oppertunity to attend college. Do you care to substantiate this claim in any way, other then to rant about how some, admittedly, kinda weird and nerdy kids spend their free time?

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  • I'm going to make this simple. I am not attacking language. I am attacking grammar. language allows communication. Grammar aids, but is not imperative for communication. Yes, some grammar is necessary, but as long as you can understand a sentence or post than any further grammar-focused criticism is unwarranted.

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  • Good lord, Sabo. I'm very pleased that the article has engendered such a response, but I won't be held responsible for your misreading of it as a personal attack on any and all Zombie participants. I never once posited that your people's grades are worse than average, or that you care less about school, or that you waste more time than the average college student, myself once included. But the quotes, self-descriptions, and analogies of the Goucher HvZ participants that appeared in this Post article seemed to perfectly convey certain trends among liberal arts students that I observed while at school. I make it as clear as possible throughout: the problem is systemic. Don't take it so personal. To your other, less important points: I was not including telemarketers in my blanket term "tech jobs," and I don't believe that a journalism degree has any bearing on a person's capacity to practice journalism. You're absolutely right that the B.A. means less and less each year; I said as much in the article and in these comments, many times. Shall we keep going? Can you at least read the article once more before chastising me for holding opinions I don't actually hold? Thanks as always for reading.

  • You'll make a great Fox News contributor someday. Keep it up, kid. You've got moxie.

  • Then I apologize for all of our emotional responses, but in our defense comments like "nerds of this intensity are incapable of confronting serious issues head-on" and calling self distinguishing quirkiness "attention-getting" and saying that we "stop going to class, the better to focus on [our] 24-hour-a-day zombie fantasy"(which by the way very strongly implies that our grades would become worse than average) were a very poor way of avoiding personal attacks.

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  • Your sardonic remarks are unwarranted, either refute his claims, support them, or make a point. But do not flame in a feeble attempt to reduce his credibility.

  • I like this soap opera a lot. Very entertaining. Hope you college students have a ball before looking for work.

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  • I am making a point: you're all huge nerds.

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  • Let's get this straight, people. My original crack about Sabo's grammar was in good faith. I mean, he called himself a Journalism Major! That just looks funny, coming from someone you'd think would have a more immediate grasp of grammar (or at least would care how his words are composed). But my crack was more about the typo looking like a military rank than the actual grammar. So toughen up a little. How do you expect to ward off the undead horde without a think skin. Also, Terragor, re: our little side debate about engineers and linguistics. Your statement -- "if they understand the idea I'm conveying then the walls will bear the load" -- doesn't actually say much of anything. So long as people "get" what I'm doing a wall if going to hold up a fucking house? I'm just glad you're in chemical engineering and not construction. Or philosophy. Or journalism for that matter. Jesus. And I'll second John's point about a journalism degree: I would not wish one on anyone, enemy or friend. Utterly useless.

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  • Wait, temporary cease fire. Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X58RPS665V0 Very. Cool. What if HvZ did civil war enactments? Seriously, that would be stellar. OK, cease fire over.

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  • @andrew: I'm unsure as to how that refuted my point. I was implying that in a situation where I was a construction engineer, who knew what idea I was trying to convey pertaining to telling an architect how to make a wall bear a load grammar is not as important as making sure the architect I'm hypothetically working with understands what I'm saying. And as for the remark on philosophy I take that personally. I spend many hours a week reading Nietzsche and Satre in my free time and studying general philosophy, if you wish to discuss THAT with me then this is not the place. And for the LAST time, you are all arguing that grammar is essential to communication, and I agree with you; but only as general guidelines. They do not need to be followed strictly. @zkauf1: That is not a point. It is still just flaming. I am trying to have a DISCUSSION, not an argument. I'll admit my emotions may have made that difficult to perceive in early comments and I apologize for that, but let's try and be civil about it. @ Allison777: I'm unsure if that was sardonic as well. So if it was: Do not group us all into the slacker/ never going to work hard/ no other extra curricular activities group. This is just temporary fun, most of us (like in nearly every demographic) are still focused on our futures. If it was not sardonic: Thank you, we will enjoy our time and when the time comes for us to enter the workforce (many of us already have side jobs to pay for our expenses) we plan on hitting the situation hard and fast.

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  • Hey dissenters, we're digging this back and forth, and would like to extend to you the opportunity to write something full-length for the site. It can be a multi-bylined piece if you wish. Reading substantial rebuttals is kind of awkward in these narrow comment boxes. What do you say?

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  • Send me an email at andrew@splicetoday.com if you're interested.

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  • I suppose I felt some of your comments IMPLIED some of the things. I'm trying to stay as far away from taking things personally as possible, it's just tough sometimes. Anyways, I've send Andrew an email regarding the oppertunity he's extended, so I suppose I'll just leave my comments at that. Thanks for being patient and reasonable in our discussion.

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  • I apologize for taking some time in responding. I can respect that you feel there is a systemic, fundamental flaw in a large number of liberal arts schools wherein the educational standards have slipped from rigorous to incredibly loose. However, your article does not effectively connect to this larger concept. As evidenced by the title "They're All Zombies," you have zeroed in on one particular group and tried to extrapolate issues with the whole from that group. You go out of your way with comments about how nerds are "...incapable of confronting serious issues head-on" to lambast both the organization and the stereotyped group of people you identify as its participants, crucifying them for your agenda of critiquing the liberal arts school system. If your intent in the article had been to lay bare a growing problem with the liberal collegiate paradigm, then I would think it would have behooved you to include a wider range of examples than this one quirky game. However, as the article stands, it comes off more as a polemic against the recreational student body instead of the loss of academic standards. If you wish for me to elaborate on my views about athletics (especially in the context of student casual gaming) then I will, but I found that topic to be extraneous to the main thrust of our conversation.

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  • So only liberal arts nerds enjoy this activity? This game is only played at liberal arts schools as well apparently? News to me, since I am an engineer at a hospital who plays as well. In fact my university could have used something like this when I was there, it would been a much better stress relief than working 12 hours a day to support myself because my parents would not support me through college (rich enough to afford the good life, too cheap to invest in their children's future). Luckily, the local state school chapter of HvZ is willing to allow staff to play (it will be considered a much needed vacation on my boss's part). My bigger question to the author is whether he actually took the time to research the subjects of his article before painting them with such broad strokes, and to look at me and my background and call me a nerd.

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  • At least you're not bitter.

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